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Kosher
08-18-2016, 02:08 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-18/u-s-sues-harley-for-selling-emission-control-defeat-devices

Dagnabit
08-18-2016, 02:42 PM
Yeah, it's a sad day but I knew it was going to happen sooner or later. Emissions standards keep getting tighter and tighter. Im assuming Vance and Hines and others that sell tuners will be next. Hopefully the new motor from HD has enough power that folks don't feel they have to add a stage 1 or better right off the showroom floor. Dealers will be losing some money though if they can't "tune" your new bike any longer.

Aggressor05
08-18-2016, 02:51 PM
What if I won't sell it back to them?

Kosher
08-18-2016, 03:20 PM
What if I won't sell it back to them?

A bit beside the point, the high level point is the EPA going after after market modifications.

This is bad.

I think pressure will mount to make it very difficult for aftermarket products to tap into the ECM.

And by the way, one of the equipment companys - I cant remember if it was Catarpillar, IH, or Deere was on its way to the supreme court on the notion that the code that resides in their control modules is their intellectual property, even so far as to make the claim that they should get paid for used sales of their vehicles.

There might be an angle for 3rd party replacement ECMs, but that too could fall under the EPA control where they could make it illegal to sell a 3rd party ECM that is not EPA compliant.

Aggressor05
08-18-2016, 03:54 PM
well I guess since harleys are melting the polar caps then this makes sense

Gas Man
08-18-2016, 09:54 PM
Meh... it's because HD is a manufacture of the bike with guidelines, and selling those items could be construed as bypassing these regulations.

Kosher
08-18-2016, 11:02 PM
Meh... it's because HD is a manufacture of the bike with guidelines, and selling those items could be construed as bypassing these regulations.

I think its more dangerous than that. Look at what California does with aftermarket exhaust. If you think this only affects Harley and not the aftermarket, I think you will be unpleasantly surprised.

Aggressor05
08-19-2016, 02:01 PM
:)

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Dagnabit
08-21-2016, 04:31 PM
Yep, the tuners themselves arent a big loss for HD. The bigger picture is If you can't tune the bike theres no point in aftermarket intakes, cams, exhaust. Etc. The dealer's and HD make a ton of money selling and installing those parts.

Aggressor05
08-21-2016, 06:28 PM
Yep, the tuners themselves arent a big loss for HD. The bigger picture is If you can't tune the bike theres no point in aftermarket intakes, cams, exhaust. Etc. The dealer's and HD make a ton of money selling and installing those parts.

I plan on calling a shop tomorrow to see if they can still tune with this, if so I will be keeping mine

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Aggressor05
08-22-2016, 12:19 PM
I plan on calling a shop tomorrow to see if they can still tune with this, if so I will be keeping mine

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I talked to a shop today, they can still tune with my super tuner pro even after the ban , so I will be keeping mine.

Gas Man
08-22-2016, 09:12 PM
I actually never been a fan of the HD Super Tuner. Too limited on when and where.

Bagger Dave
08-23-2016, 05:47 AM
I actually never been a fan of the HD Super Tuner. Too limited on when and where.
This!