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leebo
07-14-2016, 05:49 PM
So i pulled into my favorite local gas station and they have new stickers on the pumps saying"may contain 10% ethanol".
I am interested in what you mechanics have to say about that according to my manual Im supposed to be running at least 89 octane.
Will the ethanol hurt anything or is 10% OK??

Aggressor05
07-14-2016, 06:55 PM
I have 2700 miles on my bike I have only ever used Shell super in it. Ethanol is a fancy name for alcohol, alcohol is hard on rubber seals & gaskets, It won't have an immediate reaction but eventually will need to be addressed. If you do a search on putting E85 through your regular fuel lines it can give you an idea of what you are talking about ( E85 is 85% alcohol & 15% gasoline to keep people from drinking it, corn ethanol is the same chemical compound as grain alcohol AKA moonshine)

Kosher
07-14-2016, 06:56 PM
Should be fine. Ethanol is an octane booster, but octane is octane, so if the pump says 93, it should be 93 whether it has ethanol or not.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of Ethanol in fuel, but we've been using it for a while with no problems. (As long as you're putting it into a newer bike)

I have a bigger issue with ethanol *policy* in this country, which is completely moronic and brain dead, a pure giveaway to the farm lobby.

Aggressor05
07-14-2016, 07:03 PM
Should be fine. Ethanol is an octane booster, but octane is octane, so if the pump says 93, it should be 93 whether it has ethanol or not.

Personally I'm not a huge fan of Ethanol in fuel, but we've been using it for a while with no problems. (As long as you're putting it into a newer bike)

I have a bigger issue with ethanol *policy* in this country, which is completely moronic and brain dead, a pure giveaway to the farm lobby.

My next hot rod build is going to be a 1500HP car that runs E85 or E92 (depending on availability)

horrorbusiness
07-14-2016, 07:11 PM
I check this and get recreation gas whenever possible
http://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=MI

leebo
07-15-2016, 09:27 PM
A quote from triumph motorcycles

A member of our staff has responded to your request
Subject: (ethanol).

Our response:
Thanks for reaching out, we are always glad to help.

I run your request by one of our techniciens he told me that
as for as fuel is concerned the bikes can run all the way up to 25 percent ethanol.

Gas Man
07-17-2016, 10:11 PM
It will be fine... but be sure to get the correct octane rating. You have probably been running it anyway, they probably just didn't have the sticker.

Ethanol is like 110 or 114 octane... denatured alcohol.
As far as the octane... the 87 starts it's life as 84, then they blend in the ethanol to get the 87 octane.
For 89 they splash a little 91 in there to raise the 84 + E + a small blend of 91 to get the 89.
Prem is 91 with the 10% E, making it the 93.

Ultra AL
07-17-2016, 11:43 PM
Ethanol is like 110 or 114 octane... denatured alcohol.
As far as the octane... the 87 starts it's life as 84, then they blend in the ethanol to get the 87 octane.
For 89 they splash a little 91 in there to raise the 84 + E + a small blend of 91 to get the 89.
Prem is 91 with the 10% E, making it the 93.


He IS the GASMAN!

leebo
07-18-2016, 08:01 AM
Thks guyz! Just kinda surprised me been buying gas @ that station for years.naturally the workers there no nuthin.

Aggressor05
07-18-2016, 12:26 PM
It will be fine... but be sure to get the correct octane rating. You have probably been running it anyway, they probably just didn't have the sticker.

Ethanol is like 110 or 114 octane... denatured alcohol.
As far as the octane... the 87 starts it's life as 84, then they blend in the ethanol to get the 87 octane.
For 89 they splash a little 91 in there to raise the 84 + E + a small blend of 91 to get the 89.
Prem is 91 with the 10% E, making it the 93.


I run denatured alcohol in a separate tank on my turbo regal when the boost gets to 5# it starts spraying the more boost the more alcohol gets sprayed, the next boosted car I build will get straight E85
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r28/aggressor2005/SAM_1075.jpg (http://s140.photobucket.com/user/aggressor2005/media/SAM_1075.jpg.html)

Gas Man
07-18-2016, 10:06 PM
Oh yeah... boys in their turbo'ed Subi's and Hondi been doing the E85 trick for a while. Do the math. 85% of 114 octane + 15% of 84 octane = 109.5 octane. That means you can run more timing and more power! They run so much cooler!

Aggressor05
07-19-2016, 12:10 AM
Oh yeah... boys in their turbo'ed Subi's and Hondi been doing the E85 trick for a while. Do the math. 85% of 114 octane + 15% of 84 octane = 109.5 octane. That means you can run more timing and more power! They run so much cooler!

don't forget add boost, I am running 30# of boost out of a 61mm turbo on a V6 in the neighborhood of 600HP

Sargeyork
07-26-2016, 10:10 PM
All my reading on this subject says that all motor vehicles approved for road use since 1981 and possibly earlier will run safely with up to 10 percent ethanol "E10" with no harm to engine or fuel system. My personal belief is that this stuff does not stay as "fresh" without adding fuel stabilizer over long term storage.

leebo
07-28-2016, 08:19 PM
You know the big thing for me is I been goin to this station at least 10 years and it just surprized me they added ethanol.

Gas Man
07-28-2016, 11:56 PM
There are tax breaks and regulations.

Fat daddy
07-29-2016, 04:15 PM
I thought ethanol was made from corn. I think it's pure shit gas. They claim that it will start breaking down in 30 days. I just sold a 750hp street rod and ran a lot of turbo blue 110 octane and there is no way I could run 89 octane ethanol . I'll run 89 ethanol free gas over 93 ethanol gas any day of the week. The epa wanted to make it 15% ethanol but they weren't able to pass it . If they ever do it will kill these air cooled engines.

Kosher
07-29-2016, 04:54 PM
I thought ethanol was made from corn. I think it's pure shit gas. They claim that it will start breaking down in 30 days. I just sold a 750hp street rod and ran a lot of turbo blue 110 octane and there is no way I could run 89 octane ethanol . I'll run 89 ethanol free gas over 93 ethanol gas any day of the week. The epa wanted to make it 15% ethanol but they weren't able to pass it . If they ever do it will kill these air cooled engines.

Ethanol is ethanol, no matter how its made.

It does attract moisture, but most of us have been using it (well, our gas is 10% anyway) for a few years now, and I'm not aware of any issues.

In the winter, I park my bike with a full tank of gas laced with the appropriate amount of Stabil and she starts right up in the spring without any problem.

Could be an issue I suppose if you let it sit, untreated, for long periods of time.

Look, I hate the stuff too, mostly on the notion that it is extremely bad public policy cloaked on the notion that it somehow promotes energy independence and/or environmental benefits and it does neither. Its 100% a matter of policy being driven by a powerful lobbying group: farmers.

Aggressor05
07-29-2016, 05:35 PM
I thought ethanol was made from corn. I think it's pure shit gas. They claim that it will start breaking down in 30 days. I just sold a 750hp street rod and ran a lot of turbo blue 110 octane and there is no way I could run 89 octane ethanol . I'll run 89 ethanol free gas over 93 ethanol gas any day of the week. The epa wanted to make it 15% ethanol but they weren't able to pass it . If they ever do it will kill these air cooled engines.

As much as you dislike it , for hotrod guys that run boosted cars it is a miracle fuel , a lot cheaper than turbo blue & a way cleaner fuel

Aggressor05
07-29-2016, 05:48 PM
This is a guy I know who's car runs E-85.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTzija-GwNE
his brothers car doing work on the street
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=ryan%20bamford

Gas Man
07-29-2016, 10:06 PM
Ethanol is ethanol, no matter how its made.

It does attract moisture, but most of us have been using it (well, our gas is 10% anyway) for a few years now, and I'm not aware of any issues.

In the winter, I park my bike with a full tank of gas laced with the appropriate amount of Stabil and she starts right up in the spring without any problem.

Could be an issue I suppose if you let it sit, untreated, for long periods of time.

Look, I hate the stuff too, mostly on the notion that it is extremely bad public policy cloaked on the notion that it somehow promotes energy independence and/or environmental benefits and it does neither. Its 100% a matter of policy being driven by a powerful lobbying group: farmers.

This Kosher guy is 100% spot on.


As much as you dislike it , for hotrod guys that run boosted cars it is a miracle fuel , a lot cheaper than turbo blue & a way cleaner fuel

Very true.


This is a guy I know who's car runs E-85.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTzija-GwNE
his brothers car doing work on the street
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=ryan%20bamford

That's a nice GN.

The FB quote don't work.