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Thruxtonbill
03-23-2011, 07:27 PM
So I was wondering, What's going to happen to the city in the next 10 years? With the recent census indicating the lowest population since 1910 (not unexpected), the tax base continues to decrease, and it seems Deroit is in an unstoppable demise.

Do you guys go downtown? I know I don't, I hate casinos, there are better restaurants in the burbs. I might go to 3 or 4 Tiger games a year maybe 1 Lions game and thats it. I damn sure would NOT live in the city, I've worked there a long time, still do. To much crime, no grocery stores, taxes and auto ins are crazy.

So, can you fix it? If you can, I can't see it. All those jobs that went away..........won't be back. Have we hit the bottom yet? Not sure I guess we'll find out. Oh BTW, I'm talking about in our lifetime, course some of us have longer then others:eek:.

SportstersPaul
03-23-2011, 08:02 PM
With me being on the shorter end..........don't see the "bottom" yet. Do get a sense that the old mentality may be starting to wane, with some sincerety starting to take hold.

fatmanracing
03-23-2011, 08:26 PM
Until you have the people out with the poor attitudes and ignorant mentality, you will not see an improvement.
They were talking abotu this the other day on 97.1 about how, (I cant remember now what country it was) a south american country turned their situation around in 15 years against all odds, it came from the people that they would not tolerate the drug cartels, and crime...

telecast
03-23-2011, 08:26 PM
Did anyone watch Detroit 20/20 last night? Hosted by Channel 7 news people, Bing and Snyder were in the studio with comments from the 'Big 3' County executives. We stumbled across it by accident and ended up watching the whole thing.

I got to tell you, I was impressed. I have NEVER before seen that kind of cameraderie and cooperation between the people who hold those positions in this state. It was amazing to see. Bing knows damned good and well that Snyder's plans to cut state shared revenues are going to have a huge impact on Detroit, but when asked he said "We're in emergency mode, the Governor has no choice." If that was Kwami/Young/Whoever, they'd be screaming and yelling and acting like a fool.

Then L. Brooks Patterson came on and asked Bing: "What can Oakland County do to help Detroit?" HUH? Are you kidding me? No way. Those two communities have NEVER cooperated before.

Is there hope? Yeah. And it's in the form of Dave Bing.

Detroit's new census numbers aren't all that surprising. I expected to see it drop by 100k or so, but not 25%. They'll do a recount, maybe pick up another 25k people, but they won't make up the difference.

It can be fixed, but in order for the City to be fixed, they have to fix it's image. I don't know how to do that. How do you fix the image with a run down abandoned city, and how do you get a run down abandoned city up to speed if you can't fix the image?

Shrink the city. Bing has it right, but he needs to get going with it. Detroit is one of the largest cities in the country, land-wise. I forget the numbers but it's huge compared to Boston, Chicago, etc. Shrink and consolidate. Get rid of the crappy, filthy areas, and put honest people in full neighborhoods. That's a start.

fatmanracing
03-23-2011, 08:40 PM
They need to divide it up and make new cities out of the areas so that detroit is not so burdened with the amoutn of area its service providers have to cover.

RedneckMedic
03-23-2011, 10:53 PM
well rumor has it at work that the fire departments ems division which runs separate from it's fire service will be disbanding and the service are will be divided up between Community EMS, DMCare, Medstar, Health link, and Rapid response all taking different divisions of the city.

I hope the city can come back because when were at work we spend a lot of time in the different neighborhoods and can see what the city used to be and how bad it is now. The size of the city isn't the problem because then we'll just have multiple broke ass cities instead of one.



(These are my views and not the views of community ems or any of it affiliates or other employees)

Gas Man
03-23-2011, 10:58 PM
You guys all have it wrong.

They need to end the corruption that has completely ate the city & school consoles. Most of the people working for the Detroit govt are corrupt pieces of shit. I could care less about Detroit. When the moronic citizens of Detroit re-elected Kiwami the 2nd time, they deserved all the negative for a 100 years. F that place. It's a complete shit hole. Sure they have polished up a few areas like the ball parks, the casinos, etc. But at the end of the day even if you polish a turd it's still a turd.

Mudpuppy
03-24-2011, 12:46 PM
Best idea I heard lately is the farm land. 80% of the buildings are vacant. Level them and make farm land. That and I say you want to advertise MADE IN DETROIT - well you got a whole shitload of land sitting there fuckbags - do what you say. Build some fucking auto plants right in the fucking heart of Detroit and build shit there. Add some industry like auto and farm and you put in some tax base. Go through the neighborhoods with US Marshalls, Feds, Army, National Guard, etc. and get rid of the fucking drug dealers, gang bangers and all the worthless motherfuckers - imo just shoot them and bury them with the toxic waste Coleman put under the city, but you could "relocate" them (to Ohio that states sucks balls anyways) or re-educate them or something - whatever - get them the fuck out of Detroit. Homeless people send them to Ann Arbor - Ann Arbor seems to dig homeless people and has great facilities for them. That or build some housing for them and help them out. Those that take advantage - shoot the motherfuckers. Then you weed out who needs help and who doesn't.

And remember kids - the suburbs are all at fault! Never forget that. Coleman started that shit and it remains "true" today - MOTHERFUCKER PLEASE.

WILEY
03-24-2011, 01:13 PM
Bomb Detroit, then flood it.

Or saw it off and float it over to Canada.

Wonder how they will justify a new bridge with a 25% population decrease?

telecast
03-24-2011, 01:35 PM
It's already justified, at least to me.

Canada gave us $150 million toward the bridge.

Michigan was in dire straights for road money this year. We were short of meeting our share to get the Federal money that comes back to us from our road taxes. If we couldn't meet it, we'd lose it. The money (our money) would've gone to other states, and we would've lost out on a LOT of construction jobs, and I mean thousands of them.

Snyder wisely went to Washington and asked if we could use the $150 million as our share. Federal Government agreed, and we're back in business.

My company does a shitload of MDOT work every year. If it hadn't been for this 11th hour save we, and a lot more like us, would've been screwed.

Also, we are the third busiest crossing from Canada to the US. There are other states planning new bridges too. If we bail on the bridge, some companies will relocate to the place that has the speediest crossings.

The population decrease really has little to do with the bridge.

WILEY
03-24-2011, 02:23 PM
Just cannot see the need to spend taxpayer money on it right now, be it from Fed or State level.

Country and state are going broke, build a new bridge?????

Dunno, when I am having financial troubles, I dont go buy a bunch of new stuff. Why does our Govt feel they have the right to continue to spend our money??

telecast
03-24-2011, 02:29 PM
Well if nothing else, look past the need for a bridge and consider the thousands of jobs and YOUR road tax money going to another state. Those two things alone sell it for me.

Michigan is currently a 92% share state, meaning 92% of the road taxes we pay comes right back to us in the form of federal road dollars. That is IF we can meet our matching share.

If we couldn't meet it, our share would've fallen to somehwere around 50%, which means about 42% of your tax money would've fixed roads in some other state. Screw that. We need improved roads AND jobs.

One more point, the bridge will be paid for by a low interest loan, and repaid with toll revenue. Considering the Ambassador Bridge is privately owned, that's income we don't currently have.

Gas Man
03-24-2011, 05:12 PM
Mudpuppy for Detroit Mayor!!! Voted in by any citizen of wayne county UNLESS you live in the city limits.

Let's not put synder up on a pedestal either! He's a fuck!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUpO1QFMDtM

Chris300s
03-24-2011, 06:11 PM
I started to post 3 times and ended up just deleting it. Lets say that I'll respectfully disagree with a lot that's been said re: Detroit. In my humble opinion:

Yeah, the mayors office has been corrupt for a while. A lot of other major cities are too. Chicago's is worse, but they manage to get shit done in spite of it. Biggest problem in Det. politics is that after 40 years of corruption the 13th congressional district thinks that voting is a matter of picking the devil with the biggest horns. I don't know how you fix that, after 40 years I expect it to take at least that long under the best of circumstances. Remember, Atlanta was a shithole until the Olympics came, now it's on of America's "top 10".
No, Detroit's not glamorous, never has been, not compared to Chicago or New York. It's a blue collar city and it always (always) has been. That's part of its appeal.
No, the best restaurants aren't necessarily in the suburbs. Breakfast at Vivio's is something to behold, and I'll put Slow's BBQ against Applebee's, Foran's against Friday's, etc. You may not ever visit but there's still a lot there.
Yes, Detroit's hit rock bottom, or is real close, just like the suburbs. The whole state's trying to reconcile the greatest need for services (ever) with the lowest revenue with which to provide those services.

Detroit has all of the prerequisits for a comeback. A motivated, talented, trained workforce of engineers and trades. Existing infrastructure any manufacturer could have for pennies on the dollar. Excellent location for shipment via rail, truck or boat. Etc, etc.,

When I was in school I went to work at the Dearborn Stamping plant (yeah, not Detroit but close enough). I worked in the same building, walked the same floor that Henry Ford himself did. Not only that, but so did my grandfather when he was selling spring steel and tooling for Falcons and so did my dad when he was hauling coiled steel for Mustang production. Show me any where else in the world where that will ever happen again?

As desperate as the city is now, I dig it.

Grantzphoto
03-24-2011, 07:11 PM
I started to post 3 times and ended up just deleting it. Lets say that I'll respectfully disagree with a lot that's been said re: Detroit. In my humble opinion:

Yeah, the mayors office has been corrupt for a while. A lot of other major cities are too. Chicago's is worse, but they manage to get shit done in spite of it. Biggest problem in Det. politics is that after 40 years of corruption the 13th congressional district thinks that voting is a matter of picking the devil with the biggest horns. I don't know how you fix that, after 40 years I expect it to take at least that long under the best of circumstances. Remember, Atlanta was a shithole until the Olympics came, now it's on of America's "top 10".
No, Detroit's not glamorous, never has been, not compared to Chicago or New York. It's a blue collar city and it always (always) has been. That's part of its appeal.
No, the best restaurants aren't necessarily in the suburbs. Breakfast at Vivio's is something to behold, and I'll put Slow's BBQ against Applebee's, Foran's against Friday's, etc. You may not ever visit but there's still a lot there.
Yes, Detroit's hit rock bottom, or is real close, just like the suburbs. The whole state's trying to reconcile the greatest need for services (ever) with the lowest revenue with which to provide those services.

Detroit has all of the prerequisits for a comeback. A motivated, talented, trained workforce of engineers and trades. Existing infrastructure any manufacturer could have for pennies on the dollar. Excellent location for shipment via rail, truck or boat. Etc, etc.,

When I was in school I went to work at the Dearborn Stamping plant (yeah, not Detroit but close enough). I worked in the same building, walked the same floor that Henry Ford himself did. Not only that, but so did my grandfather when he was selling spring steel and tooling for Falcons and so did my dad when he was hauling coiled steel for Mustang production. Show me any where else in the world where that will ever happen again?

As desperate as the city is now, I dig it.Agreed especially the Foran's part. I could use a good Michigan brew right about now.

Thruxtonbill
03-24-2011, 07:25 PM
[QUOTE=Gas Man;24091] I could care less about Detroit. [QUOTE]
How much less?:) sorry, could help myself.

Thruxtonbill
03-24-2011, 07:28 PM
Go through the neighborhoods with US Marshalls, Feds, Army, National Guard, etc. and get rid of the fucking drug dealers, gang bangers and all the worthless motherfuckers - imo just shoot them and bury them with the toxic waste Coleman put under the city, but you could "relocate" them (to Ohio that states sucks balls anyways) or re-educate them or something - whatever - get them the fuck out of Detroit. Homeless people send them to Ann Arbor - Ann Arbor seems to dig homeless people and has great facilities for them. That or build some housing for them and help them out. Those that take advantage - shoot the motherfuckers. Then you weed out who needs help and who doesn't.


Yep , that's gonna happen.

Thruxtonbill
03-24-2011, 07:44 PM
I started to post 3 times and ended up just deleting it. Lets say that I'll respectfully disagree with a lot that's been said re: Detroit. In my humble opinion:

Yeah, the mayors office has been corrupt for a while. A lot of other major cities are too. Chicago's is worse, but they manage to get shit done in spite of it. Biggest problem in Det. politics is that after 40 years of corruption the 13th congressional district thinks that voting is a matter of picking the devil with the biggest horns. I don't know how you fix that, after 40 years I expect it to take at least that long under the best of circumstances. Remember, Atlanta was a shithole until the Olympics came, now it's on of America's "top 10".
No, Detroit's not glamorous, never has been, not compared to Chicago or New York. It's a blue collar city and it always (always) has been. That's part of its appeal.
No, the best restaurants aren't necessarily in the suburbs. Breakfast at Vivio's is something to behold, and I'll put Slow's BBQ against Applebee's, Foran's against Friday's, etc. You may not ever visit but there's still a lot there.
Yes, Detroit's hit rock bottom, or is real close, just like the suburbs. The whole state's trying to reconcile the greatest need for services (ever) with the lowest revenue with which to provide those services.

Detroit has all of the prerequisits for a comeback. A motivated, talented, trained workforce of engineers and trades. Existing infrastructure any manufacturer could have for pennies on the dollar. Excellent location for shipment via rail, truck or boat. Etc, etc.,

When I was in school I went to work at the Dearborn Stamping plant (yeah, not Detroit but close enough). I worked in the same building, walked the same floor that Henry Ford himself did. Not only that, but so did my grandfather when he was selling spring steel and tooling for Falcons and so did my dad when he was hauling coiled steel for Mustang production. Show me any where else in the world where that will ever happen again?

As desperate as the city is now, I dig it.

Great post, and that's the thing, you dig it but, in ten years will there be anything left to dig. The history of Detroit is unlike any other American city. The contribution this city and it's people made in WW2 were nothing short of amazing. My point is, at one time it WAS a great city, it stopped being great after 67. Make no mistake we're the most segregated metro area in the country, it has much to do with the way it is today. People have to want to live in a place to make it great.

BTW I do like Slows and have been there many times, although their Eastern NC BBQ is not even close.......whats an Applebee?

Gas Man
03-24-2011, 08:42 PM
It's things like the old depot building that are the only pieces worth saving in detroit. But that is cause I love old buildings. I so hope this actually happens. They simply don't make buildings like this anymore.

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/robin_schwartz/facelift-planned-for-detroit-michigan-central-depot-20110323-wpms

WILEY
03-25-2011, 10:51 AM
Well if nothing else, look past the need for a bridge and consider the thousands of jobs and YOUR road tax money going to another state. Those two things alone sell it for me.

Michigan is currently a 92% share state, meaning 92% of the road taxes we pay comes right back to us in the form of federal road dollars. That is IF we can meet our matching share.

If we couldn't meet it, our share would've fallen to somehwere around 50%, which means about 42% of your tax money would've fixed roads in some other state. Screw that. We need improved roads AND jobs.

One more point, the bridge will be paid for by a low interest loan, and repaid with toll revenue. Considering the Ambassador Bridge is privately owned, that's income we don't currently have.

Michigan has had some of the absolute worse roads in the nation for years, havent seen em improving either.

The whole thing to me is bigger than roads or bridges. The state is broke. As a nation we are going broke. Taking out a loan when your broke based on projected future income???? I have some cool business ideas, make me a loan and I will pay it back with my projected profits. Its gonna take a different way of looking at things to get us set back to right.

we are gonna have to agree to disagree.

junkyardjon
03-27-2011, 09:36 PM
just move over sea's and you'll have a job.

Detroit will never come back.

Gas Man
03-27-2011, 11:12 PM
I agree Jon unless OCP takes over

http://iwillsue.com/wp-includes/images/wlw/cache/robocop2.jpg

RedneckMedic
03-28-2011, 01:38 AM
O robo cop will be here in spirit and statue form