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telecast
10-06-2010, 08:21 AM
If you have Dish (like me) you can no longer watch Fox Sports Detroit, or FX, or NatGeo. I'm sure most of you have heard about the crap going on.

Dish says Fox spent too much money for the rights to broadcast sports, and now wants to recoup on the backs of their customers. They say Fox wants a 50% increase in their fees. Fox says it's a lie, but interestingly they won't say how much they are asking for.

So while these idiots fight with each other Fox has pulled some channels. It's not going to be the end of it. If they don't come to an agreement by the end of the month we'll lose all Fox programming.

Dish Network has 14.3 million customers. I don't see how Fox can take that kind of a hit for very long, that's a hell of a lot of customers to lose. Also, their contract with a major cable provider is up in about a week, so they'll be negotiating new rates with them too. If you have Comcast, or Direct TV, or whoever you use, eventually all the contracts will expire and be renegotiated. Fox is going to hold Dish's feet to the fire because they know whatever they settle for in this contract will set a precedent for future contracts. The same thing will happen to this cable company in a week or so.

A lot of people are pissed at Dish for 'pulling' the channels. From what I can tell it's not Dish, it's Fox. Fox yanked the channels that impact people the most and left their news channel, local channels, etc. Fox has opened a website called getwhatipaidfor.com so people can rail on Dish, then Fox forwards the comments to Dish. The goal is to get enough people to threaten Dish with switching providers. What most of these people don't get is that no matter who they switch to, their turn is coming.

Fox asserts that Dish is notorious for being cheap when it comes to their providers, Dish doesn't deny that, their core principal is to provide programming for less money. On the other hand, the guy that owns Dish is a billionaire and getting richer all the time. He could stand to lose a bit of profit and still make plenty of money.

So, No SOA or Red Wings for now. Since we couldn't watch SOA last night we watched Detroit 1-8-7. It was pretty good. Better than I thought, and I'd have no problem switching over to it and blowing off SOA altogether. If this takes too long that's exactly what will happen.

Mudpuppy
10-06-2010, 11:44 AM
It's all Comcast fault - greedy thieving bastards..

I hate cable, dish, dsl, etc. - its all a big rip off..

I just had to add a "package" to my comcast to be able to watch 1 fucking college game last weekend - Michigan vs. Indiana.. and the Big Ten Network was showing fucking highlights? WTF good is that useless channel?

But now I get NFL Redzone and at least during the season it is kick ass.. You don't need any other channel on Sunday from 1pm-7pm.

Thruxtonbill
10-06-2010, 12:09 PM
A huge power play
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdock

late 2003, Murdoch acquired a 34 percent stake in Hughes Electronics (http://www.2wheelmichigan.com/wiki/Hughes_Electronics), the operator of the largest American satellite TV system, DirecTV (http://www.2wheelmichigan.com/wiki/DirecTV), from General Motors (http://www.2wheelmichigan.com/wiki/General_Motors_Corporation) for $6 billion (USD).
Rupert Murdoch and Ted Turner (http://www.2wheelmichigan.com/wiki/Ted_Turner) are long-standing rivals. In 1996 Murdoch launched the Fox News Channel (http://www.2wheelmichigan.com/wiki/Fox_News) to compete against Turner's CNN.[20] (http://www.2wheelmichigan.com/forums/#cite_note-19)

Rider
10-06-2010, 12:43 PM
I have Dish and haven't noticed a loss of any channels. Dish is not cheap BTW. I'm paying about $100/month for their shitty service.

telecast
10-06-2010, 12:47 PM
Wow. We pay $69 a month for the full 250 channels, and that includes insurance against things breaking, like a remote control, local channels, etc. We don't have HBO or any of that, but there are a dozen or so commercial free movie channels. (not PPV).

Do you get Fox Sports Detorit or other market? FX? Go look, they're gone.

Rider
10-06-2010, 01:59 PM
Wow. We pay $69 a month for the full 250 channels, and that includes insurance against things breaking, like a remote control, local channels, etc. We don't have HBO or any of that, but there are a dozen or so commercial free movie channels. (not PPV).

Do you get Fox Sports Detorit or other market? FX? Go look, they're gone.

I get the top 250 with HD and 3 DVR's. 2 HD, and 1 SD dual tuner that goest to 2 sd tv's

Yes I get(or had) FSD. I'll have to check to make sure I still get it. Don't want to miss any Wings games come regular season play.


*EDIT* I just checked the listing...... FSD is now gone. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

telecast
10-06-2010, 02:22 PM
I wouldn't panic just yet. Fox may be playing harball, but they can't go on for very long without 14.3 million customers. It'll be settled...eventually...

Mudpuppy
10-06-2010, 05:11 PM
This same deal was happening with Brighthouse and ESPN.. not sure what happened to that..

junkyardjon
10-06-2010, 08:19 PM
i love Dish, i'll never go back to comcast!! nice thing about Dish is it never goes out. if it does, it's only for maybe 1 minute then it good to go. it's rare for me to have problems with dish. oh and they don't raise the rates all the time. i'm so anti comcast, it ain't funny. I don't miss any of the channels except FX. i'll get over it real quick, wait... i already have LOL. Fox is trying to strong arm Dish but i hope it back fires.

dogbreath
10-06-2010, 08:28 PM
I just watch the TV shows I like online for free.

telecast
10-16-2010, 10:24 AM
Now they're in it with a major NY cable company. It doesn't matter which provider you subscribe to, your turn will eventually come.

Fox is asking this cable company for an increase from $70m a year to $150m, and refusing binding arbitration.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101016/ap_on_re_us/us_cablevision_fox_dispute

junkyardjon
10-16-2010, 04:58 PM
everybody will get a turn LOL. FOX can stick it for all i care. i'm glad there also taking a stand and telling people why. same as with Dish, FOX is blaming the provider for not paying some stupid $$$$$ amount.

maybe this is why they had a limit on how many stations one company can own?....

Gas Man
10-17-2010, 11:35 AM
I have comcast so I'm not really worried.

telecast
10-30-2010, 08:15 AM
I have comcast so I'm not really worried.


That's because Comcast's contract with Fox isn't up yet. Now that they've reached an agreement with Dish they've set a precedent for the increase, so maybe you'll get lucky. Or, they might want more yet.

Anyway it's all over with for Dish customers, we got our channels back last night. Looks like Fox is still fighting with Cablevision though.

Gas Man
10-30-2010, 06:18 PM
Yeah but Comcast is a heavyweight in this biz. I think they have the muscle to shut em up.